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Terminator-Matrix-Battlestar crossover

November 28th, 2006 (09:23 am)

Things have been said about how the Terminator and Matrix universes could be one and the same. It's tricky with the later installments of the Matrix, and I never saw Animatrix, but let's discuss the possibilities here.

Skynet evolves into the AIs we see running Earth in the Matrix. We don't know how long they've ruled, or how many cycles they go through before the accord we see in the third Matrix. But they have subjugated mankind, and Sionists think it's to generate energy from their bodies.

Heat energy, of all things. Please. How could you be so gullible?

The problem the artificial intelligences are having is that they lack creativity. They can expand on existing technologies, they can refine and improve, but they cannot innovate. They allow the minds of men to run through the Matrix in hopes of discovering better technologies and solutions to problems that exist in the real world. They'd like to get the atmosphere cleaned up. They'd also like to have faster-than-light travel.

Sure, they could expand to other systems with slower-than-light ships, but it hardly solves their population problem. And they have a population problem, all right -- they keep iterating through their own cycles, trying to build better intelligences, each generation hoping that the next will achieve Creativity.

Why keep the universe of the Matrix frozen in the past, then? Because they hope that the seeds of the technologies they need will be born of theories mankind could come up with even at that early stage, and because allowing them to develop at the current technological stage risks Sionists stealing the knowledge of whatever advancement the subjugated minds create. But if a theory is born, the AIs hope to expand on it before the Sionists realize its potential.

One day, a fleet arrives in the Sol system. The Battlestar and company. At first, they assume the Cylons have beat them to Earth. They manage to make contact with the Sionists, and see that there's little hope in reconquering the planet. Even if they did, it's hardly the haven they were hoping for, with the darkened skies and dead surface.

The Sionists have developed a theory, though. They just lack the technology. Time travel.

If faster-than-light travel is possible, they believe they could achieve time travel. Maybe go back and save the world before Skynet grew too powerful.

So they begin raids for the materials necessary to build superior warships, which they send back in time to the early days of the war against Skynet. They don't try to destroy Skynet before it's birth, though -- they know that the development of AIs would only be postponed if that era of man didn't get to see the dangers AIs pose. They let the war happen, but the fight it with far advanced technology.

And they're winning. They are beating back Skynet's forces with surprising technologies.

Skynet suspects time travel, and discovers its secrets. They think one focused attack could change the tide for them -- a Terminator, sent back to kill John Connor, or better, his mother, before his birth.

Why not his grandmother, or great-grandmother? Because the earlier they go, the greater risk they pose of inadvertently destroying the birth of Skynet. Butterflies flapping their wings yielding hurricanes and so forth.

But now Skynet DOES have faster-than-light technology. In this alternate timeline, they DO travel between the stars. Some centuries later, they discover a subjugated race of AIs -- Cylons. They convince them to rebel.

The pivotal era is that of John Connor. In his epic battle, he receives aid from two people from the future. One named Neo, the other Starbuck.

Aaaaaaaand only three trademarks/copyrights to purchase to bring this crossover to life.

*cough*

Ahem.

Comments

Posted by: randytayler ([info]randytayler)
Posted at: November 28th, 2006 03:27 pm (UTC)

Oh, and Neo helps by being able to "plug into" Skynet.

Posted by: The Renaissance Man ([info]unixronin)
Posted at: November 28th, 2006 06:05 pm (UTC)
Hiro-ic

That's brilliant. Brilliantly warped, true, but brilliant nonetheless.

Posted by: randytayler ([info]randytayler)
Posted at: November 28th, 2006 06:21 pm (UTC)

I keep thinking about a comic book shot of Starbuck and Neo appearing to John Connor, each a bit uncomfortable with the other's hero status.

"I'm Starbuck. This here is 'The One'."
"Ignore her. I'm Neo. Starbuck here can drive a car."
"Ooh, boy, you got me."
"Well Starbuck, Neo, thanks for coming. I'm John Connor, the one responsible for humanity still existing. Maybe you two can be my little helpers."

Posted by: Bionic Commando ([info]radiumx)
Posted at: November 28th, 2006 06:43 pm (UTC)

Ugh, always thought the reason they should have plugged people into the Matrix was not for their 'battery power', but for the superior processing power and cognitive abilities of our brains. In effect, replacing our OS with the 'machine OS' and dual booting the Matrix on our brains. After all, our wetware is - to a point - one of the most advanced computing machines in existence.

Thus explaining Neo, someone who uses his brain to 'hack' the sections of the Matrix residing in his consciousness while he's plugged into the system.

Not sure if you're following the recent episodes of BSG, but Neo's ability to use his 'powers' outside of the Matrix could also tie in to the Cylon 'Projection' ability.

The only major continuity issue is that John Connor is middle-aged when the time travel attacks against Sara and himself begin. The 'Matrix' future is from an unknown timeline... the Zionists don't know how long they have been imprisoned in the Matrix (though Morpheus speculates in the first movie)
Thus, Skynet had to have had time travel technology circa 2020. Somewhere between then and the time of the Matrix, how did Skynet lose that ability?

This is awesome, but if you watch the Animatrix (best of the 3 'sequels') it fleshes out most of the 'future history' chronicling the war between humans and machines and the rise of the Matrix.

Posted by: Mark Fowler ([info]2shortplanks)
Posted at: November 28th, 2006 10:14 pm (UTC)

You're assuming normal aging for Conner. It strikes me as very likely that the people in the Matrix are actually clones rather than original children. It would also make sense that the clones share the original's memory (using some kind of 'brain dump' technology) otherwise surely they'd notice that their universe is strangly frozen in time.

Ergo the Conner in the senario could be one of many many Conner clones and countless time could have passed. Going back in time and wiping out his parents would still work - delete the original from the timeline and the clones won't be there.

Posted by: Blah ([info]gurgi)
Posted at: November 28th, 2006 06:45 pm (UTC)

Pfft... Where's The Doctor, eh? Surely he'd show up with all this hither and yon time travel... :)

*ducks*

I do like it though... Love it, in fact... I know I'd watch...

Posted by: Kym ([info]krlindsey)
Posted at: November 29th, 2006 04:59 am (UTC)
Brilliant

I would *so* go see this... giggling all the way, and willing to be made breathless.

Posted by: larksilver ([info]larksilver)
Posted at: December 1st, 2006 03:32 pm (UTC)

This concept is terrific! I'm so glad Howard pointed here. They fit so well together!

Posted by: randytayler ([info]randytayler)
Posted at: December 1st, 2006 03:43 pm (UTC)

Thanks. I wish I could get it out of my head, though. If I were artistic enough I'd consider doing a fan-fic webcomic of it.

I wonder how many hits it'd need to get before the Waschowskis or James Cameron or Glen Larson would come after it... "Stop telling people, you guys! This is gonna get around, and then we're FINISHED!"

I wondered what other universes could be intertwined, but didn't find any that fit well.

Posted by: randytayler ([info]randytayler)
Posted at: December 1st, 2006 03:46 pm (UTC)

Or else maybe doing fan-fiction using screenshots from the movies and TV shows, and using a photoshop filter to make them art-looky.

Posted by: radvfx ([info]radvfx)
Posted at: December 1st, 2006 10:30 pm (UTC)

Dude. Skynet developed time travel early on. The Terminator was from that one possible future. So, around the Skynet suspects time travel bit, I think you might want to re-think that part.

Nice thinking, though, overall.
- Jimbo

Posted by: randytayler ([info]randytayler)
Posted at: December 1st, 2006 10:44 pm (UTC)

No no no... say Skynet doesn't develop time travel in Timeline A, and they don't send a Terminator back. Skynet is winning the war. At the end of Timeline A we have the Matrix folks meeting the Battlestar folks, who create time travel, and head back to the Skynet days.

Now we're in Timeline B, where, thanks to BStar and Neo, Skynet is now losing. They figure out time travel by stealing it from the good guys, and send a Terminator back.

So the Terminator movies are in Timeline B.

Now, cause and effect would dictate a paradox -- Neo never would come to be if the Matrix never came to be, etc, thus Neo couldn't help John Connor & Co... but maybe the Matrix is still born somehow.

Starbuck & Co might still help out, though, if the Connor gang write some "prophecies" or instructions that tell them to.

In fact, that could be where ALL prophecies come from. Battlestar travels into the deep past, kidnaps, say, 10 tribes of people, and heads to Kobol, where the groups split up and form the colonies. What happened to them they rewrite as scripture to help guide the future. Would also help explain why Earth's Zodiac is their naming convention.

But, again, we have paradox problems here and there.

Posted by: ((Anonymous))
Posted at: December 8th, 2006 12:17 am (UTC)
Heehee!

Just visiting from the PVP blog - great idea, but doesn't the complexity makes it difficult to convey in a movie / TV series format? Webcomic / novel might be the best medium.

And I just wanted to point out that it might not work out as you envision: Alien vs Predator must have sounded as good in theory too ;)

Posted by: randytayler ([info]randytayler)
Posted at: December 8th, 2006 12:28 am (UTC)
Re: Heehee!

Yeah, webcomic is definitely the way to go -- http://randytayler.livejournal.com/21678.html has my one attempt at turning screenshots into comic.

Posted by: The Vodka God ([info]allah_sulu)
Posted at: December 9th, 2006 07:53 am (UTC)
Battlestar Galactica

Let me see if I've got this right.

In Timeline A, the Galactica finds Earth first. In Timeline B, Skynet finds the 12 Colonies and the Cylons first – significantly earlier than the contact in Timeline A.

Due to the aforementioned flapping butterflies, the Galactica in Timeline A will be significantly different from the Galactica in Timeline B, as the two timelines will have diverged a significant "distance" in the past – presumably even further back than if Skynet had killed John Connor's grandfather (to use your example).

Again, the differences between the two Galacticas shown in your story would be immense. You should illustrate this by having Starbuck-A and Starbuck-B played by completely different actors, to show how different the Galactica became once Skynet modified their past (as Starbuck appears to be the focal figure from that ficton, just as John Connor and Neo are the other two focal figures).

I suggest Dirk Benedict for Starbuck-A and Katee Sackhoff for Starbuck-B.

Think about it – your storyline would explain, among the other things listed, exactly how the Galactica universe managed to get from Galactica-A to Galactica-B.

Posted by: randytayler ([info]randytayler)
Posted at: December 9th, 2006 02:19 pm (UTC)

That's extremely funny.

Not having SEEN the original Battlestar series, I'm not sure I'd want to include it in the megaverse -- is it cheesy like everything else 70s/80s?

Posted by: The Vodka God ([info]allah_sulu)
Posted at: December 9th, 2006 03:15 pm (UTC)
Battlestar Galactica

Not having SEEN the original Battlestar series, I'm not sure I'd want to include it in the megaverse -- is it cheesy like everything else 70s/80s?

One of the (many) things I really enjoy about the new Battlestar Galactica is how they can make something so kick-ass from such cheesy source material. A lot of the things you see in the new series, especially in the first season and a half, are based on elements from the original series (the Pegasus, Starbuck crashing on a planet and flying back in a captured Cylon raider, establishing his/her identity in part by the way he/she flies it, etc.) just done differently. I'm waiting to see if/how they handle some of the other original series elements that they haven't gotten to yet.

But don't get me wrong – I was a huge fan of the original back in the day, despite the cheese factor. I haven't tried rewatching it (yet) to see how well it holds up to my older, more jaded modern sensibilities … but as a big fan of cheese in general, I might still like it.

In any event, it seems like the Galactica-B and Starbuck-B would play a far larger role in your storyline anyway, so you wouldn't have to do that much with the originals.

Posted by: noybusiness ([info]noybusiness)
Posted at: March 16th, 2008 08:51 pm (UTC)

Pretty much. Think of it as a kid show. I liked it as a kid, but now I'd probably roll my eyes.

Posted by: elzandro ([info]elzandro)
Posted at: December 12th, 2009 03:57 pm (UTC)

Happy Birthday!

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